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Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  00:00

Hi it’s Marissa Lee here, and I’m so excited to be sharing today’s interview round episode with you. In these episodes, our brilliant lineup of guests will include health care practitioners, voice educators, and other professionals who will share their stories, knowledge and experiences within their specialised fields to empower you to live your best life. Whether you’re a member of the voice, community, or beyond your voice is your unique gift. It’s time now to share your gift with others develop a positive mindset and become the best and most authentic version of yourself to create greater impact. Ultimately, you can take charge, it’s time for you to live your best life. It’s time now, for a voice and beyond. So without further ado, let’s go to today’s episode. One area of self care we can all do better at whether we want to admit it or not, is nutrition. When it comes to nutrition, we’re all too eager to ignore the evidence. And yet, nutrition is undeniably a major contributor to our quality of life and longevity. If this is an area of your life you have been neglecting you won’t want to miss this week’s episode of a voice and beyond with special guest, Neil cannon. Neil is one of the most insightful and thought provoking guests I have ever had on the podcast. And if he doesn’t inspire you to take a good look at your own eating habits, I don’t know who will. Neil is a nutrition and health professional speaker, coach, podcast host and best selling author of the vitality secret. In this interview, he shares with us that as he was growing up, he suffered from chronic illnesses and these health conditions inspired him on a journey of discovering the relationship between many common chronic illnesses and poor nutrition. He reveals that inflammation is the root cause of some of the most common and chronic health challenges that exists today, such as diabetes, eczema, psoriasis, many common digestive challenges, AST writers obesity, low energy, brain fog, and many many more. He believes that anyone can improve their health by combating chronic inflammation. And he gives us examples of how to reverse engineer some of these conditions using a number of different approaches covering the physical, mental and emotional pillars of healing. Neil also discusses some of the greatest misconceptions about health and wellness, the main environmental toxins in the 21st century, the impact of chronic stress on our bodies, how medicine and the health industry has become a modern business and much more. You don’t want to miss out on this episode, especially if you or someone you know is suffering from a chronic health issue. So without further ado, let’s go to today’s episode

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  04:08

Welcome to a voice and beyond Neal cannon. How are you?

Neil Cannon  04:14

Very well, thank you, Marissa. Thank you for having me on your show. I’m excited for this conversation.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  04:19

So am I I can never get enough of talking about health and wellness. It’s a topic that really excites me. Because for me, I want to have a long, happy but also healthy life where we I can make the most out of every day. So this is really important to me, also. So now you are a best selling author of the book, The Vitality secret. Yep, you are a speaker, a coach, a nutrition and health professional and you also have your own podcast, the vitality secret so thank you so much for being Hear you had such a unique and thoughtful approach to creating Health and Wellness and Resilience in your patients. And I want to unpack all that. But first of all, how did you arrive to where you’re at right now? Because I know usually when someone goes into a particular field, it’s because something happened to them in their childhood, a psychologist goes into psychology, because something was kind of messed up in childhood. Was that your case? Oh, absolutely.

Neil Cannon  05:34

Yes. And you clearly discovered this yourself. I’ve discovered this that everyone who works in holistic health or healing comes with their own story of recovery of or healing from call of crisis, ultimately, that changed the course of their lives, maybe created some kind of inflection point, I used to be in real estate, oh my god, I somehow found myself do something very, very different. Yeah. So my journey was really my own story was eczema. I had it from a toddler. And for the best part of 30 years, I was always given the same treatments, which were very temporary solutions, which meant it would always come back. So they comprised steroid creams which have left pigmentation on my skin, then if you can see that, but various places on my skin, the pigments gone. Prescription moisturisers which when you look at the ingredients that are full of nasty ingredients, which should not be put on your skin, and also antibiotics when it got particularly bad. And that was pretty much the treatment prescribed by a doctor by well for 30 years. And it wasn’t until my father suffered a stroke, when I have my own wake up call, which is a slightly unusual way of going about it. But that’s ultimately what happened. His he had the stroke. And I had this kind of inner knowing. It was like my innate intelligence telling me that his stroke was avoidable. It just came from within. But I must be open as well. I was already in health and fitness, I’d written a book on increasing testosterone naturally for guys. And I had started seeing this word inflammation everywhere. But I hadn’t really grasped what it was about until my father suffered a stroke. And I started seeing it as the underlying cause of almost every illness. And I went on a bit of a research quest. And very, very quickly, I found out that chronic inflammation was not only the underlying cause of his stroke and hypertension, that led to his stroke, and the asthma hit hasn’t 12, which is a fully reversible condition. Also in the eczema I’d had my whole life. So I went about a change in my diet, lifestyle, exercise habits, various habits changed. And I got rid of it very quickly. And there was a lot of focus around anti inflammatory, living and healing the gut, which is the one organ you want to heal with any kind of skin condition or any kind of chronic illness, in fact, yes, so that’s my story in a nutshell. And the Oh, yes, it’s 2015. I’ve been helping people reverse various conditions by helping them get to the underlying cause of their inflammation.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  08:05

I’ll share a little story with you here. My youngest daughter, who is now 26. She, as a young baby and a toddler, she also suffered from eczema. And, you know, we started looking into ways of dealing with that, but nothing helped. And there was a guy, we had a cafe at the time, and there was a guy that used to come in every day, we used to call him the witch doctor. We really didn’t understand what a natural therapist was at the time. But he just had a different way of dealing with illnesses. And we thought, as I said, we used to call him a witch doctor because we didn’t understand what he was doing. And it got to a crisis point with my daughter. She was two years old, and she was basically cooking from the inside out and was covered red raw and in excruciating pain. And I just didn’t know where to turn it was Christmas Eve and I called him. He had closed his clinic, but he could hear the desperation in my voice. And he allowed us to go over there then and there. And totally changed her diet, gave supplements and and different things took her off different foods. And within two days, I had a different child. Her temperament changed, the eczema cleared. It was simply amazing. And that was 24 years ago and that’s opened my eyes to everything that you’re talking about. I’m very open and receptive to because I’ve seen the impact of it for myself. And we continue to deal with that without which Dr.

Neil Cannon  10:01

Amazing. Isn’t that amazing? And isn’t it interesting how these treatments are still referred to as alternative health or alternative medicine? I’m using air quotes for listeners. Yes, I was too. So I personally consider these ways as medicine. That’s my definition of medicine is something that helps the body to heal from the inside out. Knowing that, yeah, and knowing that Eczema is a symptom of chronic inflammation, which is a symptom of something else, it really doesn’t make much sense to take a drug, or put a topical steroid on which is ignoring entirely why the symptom is there in the first place, yet that has the label Western medicine. Slowly but surely, people are starting to understand that that’s not really medicine. I refer to it as emergency medicine. And we know it’s phenomenal in emergencies, gets us out of trouble can save our lives. Mon parents are alive. Thanks for Western medicine, various friends are alive, thanks to Western medicine, so it absolutely has its place. However, when it comes to chronic illness and dis ease, it tends to be very limited in its ability to help people.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  11:15

Yes, absolutely. So just wanted to add that with my grandson, he also suffered from eczema. And he also went down the route of going to see skin specialists, doctors. In the end, my daughter came to me is my oldest daughter and said, Mom, you know, nothing’s working here. Can I have the name of the board

Neil Cannon  11:44

up? Still around 27 years later,

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  11:48

and she went to him and same thing, my grandson was healed of his eczema. And the problem, personally, is that one, Western medicine doesn’t always work. It’s putting a bandaid on the problem. And I’m not boo hooing everything here, people. But sometimes it’s it’s just putting that bandaid. If you’re someone that doesn’t deal with Western medicine, well as I don’t, I don’t even handle painkillers very well, five takes some forms of pain relief, I immediately vomit, my body just rejects them. And then there’s milder forms of pain relief that I’m sorry to put it out there. I don’t go to the toilet for the next three days. So they seem to fix one thing, but then something else goes wrong. You just feel like you, you, you end up on this roller coaster. And there’s no way of getting off.

Neil Cannon  12:51

So true. So true as a spiral was often what happens is someone will be they’ll experience a symptom, there’ll be prescribed a drug, it appears as though is working because it simply goes away. And then sometime down the road a year or two. There’s a new symptom created by Guess what? The drug? Yes. So there’s not a single drug that doesn’t come with side effects or direct effects as we’re starting to call them. There’s not literally not a single drug that doesn’t come with side effects. And therefore we know that they actually cause harm. So not only do they not address the underlying cause, or rather, not only do they make you think you’re okay, but they actually don’t address the underlying cause. And then they let the underlying cause worsen unnoticed and contribute to a new problem. Yes, so there’s a William Osler quote that says, when you take up the book, this isn’t verbatim, but it’s something to the effect of the person who takes medicine has to recover twice, once from the medicine or once from the disease. No more than once for the medicine that

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  14:05

I get. I Yes. And I 100% agree. And I think that is such a great quote. Okay, so you are a health and vitality expert and coach, in your practice. What does that actually mean? Because I’ve not heard that before. I’ve heard of natural therapist, naturopath. But what is that?

Neil Cannon  14:30

That’s a great question. I don’t think I’ve ever been asked this question. I wanted to circle back because you talked about patients earlier, I must be clear, I’m not a medical doctor. So I can’t call my clients, patients, their clients. Sure. So I guide people on a journey and it’s the reason I don’t just call it coaching is because it’s it’s way more than coaching. I provide a toolbox of everything I’ve researched over the last 10 years. And I guide people on what I call a vitality journey and we cover the physical, mental, emotional energetic pillars of vitality, I’m quoting again, vitality. Because there’s just different areas of health, ultimately, and where most people can get results by simply addressing the physical, which really entails diet and exercise. And predominantly with a anti inflammatory focus on healing the gut, we also look at various toxins which might be external to the body or internal in the body. And then we also look at the mental, the emotional, and the energetic pillars as well, because the body, the true holistic approach is to address the whole. So that’s what we do when I guide people on this journey. So I coach people through I mentor them through it, and I provide a toolbox so people can pick and choose what they most resonate with. Because there’s normally one focus that people zero in on, and I guide them and it’s a more like a guide, a partner and health, there’s lots of words I’ve used. But ultimately, I’m taking them by the hand, whether it’s private, or in a group setting, showing them what I have learned what what’s worked for me and my clients and 2015 What can work for them to using as much solid science and data as I possibly can to help persuade them. Yeah. And also just by forming a relationship with them, they can they instil trust in what I have to say, because there’s some things I introduce, you know, five or six weeks down the line where I would just not, I wouldn’t introduce it in week one, because they’d probably walk in the other direction,

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  16:33

they would run for the hills, and then jump in that ocean near their

Neil Cannon  16:39

swim and go kite surfing. Yeah. So yeah, there is an element of creating and forming rapport with my clients. And then once they’re ready, I started to introduce new principles and concepts that weren’t available to them really beforehand. Or they hadn’t even they weren’t in their awareness. Put it that way.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  16:58

When did you get that training from that, that you’ve created this programme or your your practice, where has all that come from that knowledge

Neil Cannon  17:09

to be totally transparent. This is my own system that I’ve put together over the years by testing and tweaking, I do hold a nutrition qualification. But to be transparent again, the nutrition direction I give people isn’t really anything to do that qualification. The qualifications that are wanted around nutrition weren’t Believe it or not government backed or they weren’t accredited. I’ve heard

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  17:32

that before.

Neil Cannon  17:34

Yeah, the real, the really useful approaches to diet you can’t get accredited for, yes, something weird going on there. So I give people tips and tools to switch to an anti inflammatory nutrition plan, and help them replace certain foods for other ones and guide them through the process. Okay,

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  17:56

so when someone comes to you, where have they come from? How do they know about you? Has someone referred them? What do you do with that person? What What kind of diagnostic tool do you use or assessment tool to? Like, figure out what’s going on with that person? In front of you?

Neil Cannon  18:15

Yeah. So first up, where do they find me podcasts. One, also, I’ve been on various TV shows, and they often are referrals from existing clients or past clients. And they might just do a Google search and find something on vitality in my website, maybe, but ultimately, people who arrive on my site, and normally you with me. So then it’s a matter of them choosing, which is the right offer for them, whether it’s group coaching, or the book or private coaching. And then once we sit down and we begin, in terms of diagnostics, there are a few blood tests that we often do. And again, I kind of worked with their doctor because I’m not officially allowed to look at blood results or anything. So I have them, ask their doctor for these tests. And then we can kind of work around it, and I work alongside their doctor is their partner in health. I also use bio resonance, and we use microbiome Testing, testing the gut microbiome by resonance is really incredible because by using frequency, you can determine imbalances in the body. You know, we’re frequency machines, everything about us is a different frequency, you have no emotions of a different frequency. So there are some incredible devices out now that can ping these frequencies of your skin. Some have 140,000 Different frequencies inside these machines and you can hold, they work with different technology. You can hold them, you can put them in your head, you could stand on them with your bare feet. There’s different ways of doing it. In fact, there’s even voice command ones where you can do it remotely and talk into the phone and that picks up the resonance off the cheek. There’s there’s lots of different ways to get. Yeah, it’s amazing. Technology in this space is really advanced now. And in fact, some of the technology has been around for much longer than we’d ever imagined more than 100 years and rife frequencies. For example, roil Raman rife discovered that you could eliminate cancer by matching the frequency of the tumour and had 100% success rate record, apparently, although the sample size was very small, but he was very successful. Sadly, he was quashed alongside many other incredible

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  20:28

we’re going to talk about that later on in the podcast, because we have some discussions that we both want to have around all of that. So these people come to you. What is it that you’re looking for? Is that predominantly inflammation?

Neil Cannon  20:48

Yes. So I normally work with people who have some kind of chronic symptom, it doesn’t really matter what it is. I can’t work with everything. But for the most part, most symptoms are, most illnesses are just symptoms of chronic inflammation. So some people say, Will this work for me, and my immediate response is, you can have a quick look on peer reviewed medical research like PubMed typing your symptom name and inflammation, see if they’re connected, if they’re connected, the chances are, it can help. And so it covers a wide range of symptoms. If it’s a chronic illness, the chances are, it’s a symptom of chronic inflammation that goes from anything is kind of mild ish, as eczema or acne, through to arthritis to gout to various autoimmune conditions. And, in fact, most autoimmune conditions, there’s a few that I think a much trickier to reverse than others. But ultimately, the methodology is very, very similar. So people will come with a chronic symptom, it might be low energy or low libido, for a guy’s, for example. And we will kind of check in at the beginning and see the symptoms and how they’re feeling and do a quick kind of checklist of the course of eight weeks, we’ll go around creating balance in their body across the four pillars and meet every week and kind of course, correct. But ultimately, they’ve they found they’ve come to me because their body is out of balance for some reason. And I help them I talk about reverse engineering, understanding that everything has a cause everything has a root cause. So I help them peel back the layers of the onion and find out what is underlying the symptom, or really what’s underlying the chronic inflammation, which is creating the symptom.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  22:38

Okay, what is what are the main causes of inflammation? And how do they manifest?

Neil Cannon  22:48

Yes, so inflammation is your immune systems reaction to what it perceives as an attack on it, ultimately, so your immune system, there’s wonderful army of defenders, which is so intelligent, will spot something entering the body or something you’re exposed to, and it will go on into some kind of alert to protect the body’s it’s a healthy immune response. And the immune system will get to work to fight that intruder. So alien invaders come in, the immune system says, Well, what’s that? Let’s, let’s go into protection. And the way that the this the way I see it, the way the body communicates that with the owner of the body, yes is through a symptom is like a warning light on your dashboard reflashing the oil loads on Pay attention, Neil, whatever you name is gonna attend to the oil, the root cause go figure out go and change the oil or if there’s an oil leak, go take that car to the mechanic so they can fix it at the cause. They can figure out why they’ll your lights on, and then naturally that light will go off. That’s how I consider medicine. And that’s the really, I feel the most logical step to take if there’s any imbalance in the body. I don’t think it’s an invitation to to go and take some drugs, although they’re useful in the short term, or can be used in the short term. It’s an invitation to figure out why that cause or why that light is on why that warning light is on. So inflammation back to your question is the immune system reaction to some kind of threat on the body. That can also be a perceived threat because chronic inflammation also happens with chronic stress. So when we are living by the hormones of stress, we are ultimately in fight or flight perceiving some kind of threat made up in the mind. Normally, that’s what stress really is. So if someone is experiencing chronic stress, what what happens is they live by the hormones of stress, it actually weakens the gut lining over time and creates stillness in the body, ultimately, it’s often spoken about our 90% of illness is down to chronic stress. And that’s, most people can relate to that. Right. And there’s a number of different processes happening when we are constantly living in fight or flight. You know, if we’re running from that Sabre toothed Tiger, it’s a very healthy response because the viewer does. The body does incredible things to keep us safe and alert and high alert and cortisol, etc. Lots of biochemical changes happen in fight or flight, the only thing is, when we’re in fight or flight, the innate immune system isn’t needed as much. So less energy is focused on the innate immune system. And we know that 30 to 80% of the immune system is located in and around the gut, which is the very organ we want to heal, if we have any kind of chronic symptom. So this is why the mental piece and the emotional piece is huge when it comes to reversing illness. Because we could be drinking, we could be having the most anti inflammatory diet, known to man, we could be vegetable juicing every single day. But if we are living by the hormones of stress, we’re just basically consuming anti inflammatory organic stress hormones, it doesn’t make much difference. We just, we want to be balanced across every pillar ultimately. So diet is important, and is important. Anything in? If it’s just that, and we don’t take care of the mental piece and emotional things, we’re going to be missing a big part of the puzzle.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  26:38

Yes, well, I have to admit that I do suffer from gut health issues, from time to time that flare up. And I do live in that high stress mood. I try not to, but it’s really hard to, if that’s your default behaviour, it’s really hard to switch that off. And like I do the whole gluten free thing. I can do the whole, not having dairy, all the things that you meant to have for good gut health, stay away from bad foods. And I can still have a flare up of where my I’m in pain, then I can go through periods where I can eat dairy, I can have gluten, I can have all the other foods without a problem. And that, to me has been proof that it is more than just the gluten free. It’s more than the gluten. It’s more than the dairy that it is to do with my emotional mental state at the time. Because if I’m calm, I find that I can eat anything. But as soon as I’m in that high stress mode, doesn’t matter what I ate, it’s going to play play ball with my stomach. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I get what you’re saying, I get what you’re saying. And for me, I don’t seek medical help. There are some supplements that I can take or drops that I take that kind of calm it down a little bit to at least relieve the pain. But it’s a big thing. And there are so many people these days that are that believe they’re gluten intolerant, that they have allergies to dairy, but what you’re saying is essentially that it’s more than that.

Neil Cannon  28:50

Yeah, I mean, think about it this way. Some people can be okay with a certain food type until they hit a certain age or a certain time in their life, and then suddenly they can’t have it anymore. I feel that yes, so what’s happened. Normally, there’s some kind of an event in someone’s life, let’s call it a trapped emotion, or a trauma is this event has caused an energy shift in the body and has left an energetic imprint in the body, which is causing a weakness ultimately. So most illness or dis ease can be traced back to some kind of traumatic event in someone’s life. And it doesn’t have you ever been a huge trauma, it could be something like an argument with a sibling or a parent, when you’re five years old. Or it might be more recent, you find yourself very stressed at work for some reason. And the chronic stress is weakening in the garden and suddenly you can’t eat gluten anymore when you were fine with it before. So it’s it’s either a buildup of stress over years and or some kind of new event that This happened in one’s life, which is called the onset of some kind of new symptom.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  30:05

This is incredible. And I feel like we’re having a session here. And I apologise to the listeners that I’m making it about me. But oh my gosh, what you just said there, then it’s so powerful and so relatable to me right now. Well, I’ll tell you a share another little story, it’s, honestly, by the end of the show, you’re going to know me very well, and it’s gonna be your interview. But 12 months ago, my mum started being very unwell. And, like, very, very unwell, and she ended up passing away. For two months, we’re all struggling as a family trying to deal with what was going on. And every morning while I was she was living into state, I would go for a walk every morning. And that was my way of clearing my head. One particular morning throughout that time, all of a sudden, my back started to spasm. Never ever have I had a back problem my whole life. And ever since then, I’ve been having problems with my back. And it was during that time of being in such an elevated emotional state that you’re talking about a new event and that was an absolutely a new event that was that came out of nowhere. We were not expecting this to happen with my mom at that time. And all the emotion and and all the responsibility and the decision making that was going on at that time. I feel like that had something to do with the back problem.

Neil Cannon  31:57

I wouldn’t be at all surprised. Yeah. When when whenever I hear of a new symptom I go to intuitive response is it’s emotional. But not every time. intuitive response means it’s based on the person but often more often than not, it is emotional that causes it. If you think about it, we are electromagnetic beings we’re energy beings through and through, you know, if you zoom in enough on us with a strong enough microscope, understanding quantum physics we are mostly energy are actually 0.000 many 01 matter. We are point 99999 Many zero nines, sorry, many nines, yes, energy or space. And when we have when we experience events in our lives, it kind of jolts us it kind of takes us out of alignment and shocks us or whatever word works for you. It that impact on our lives leaves an energetic imprint on the body, there’s actually a slogan that says the organs weep the tears, the eyes refuse to shed, we store this energy around the body in different organs, it can be enjoyed it might be on a neck, it could be a migraine, it could be we store this energy as bundles of electromagnetic energy. And then those electromagnetic energy bundles then affect the flow of electrons around the body because we’re the Body Electric we are wired up like a house quite literally. And if we have these bundles of energy stored in the body, it actually affects the voltage getting a bit technical so a characteristic looking from the Body Electric standpoint and I’ll give a quote I’ll give credit where it’s due here Dr. Joe tenants I originally heard this from Arthur I was actually I got poisoned by my phone I can come back to that if you want but he he says a characteristic of all chronic illnesses low voltage to an organ. So that’s just an interesting thing to know. Because we think okay, why why all of a sudden have I got type one diabetes which means the pancreas isn’t firing What has it been okay all my life and then now it’s happened so what’s happened with I’m just gonna just pick that example for some reason because I don’t know why just the first one was came to came to mind, autoimmune condition if it’s developed in life. And what’s ultimately happening happening is the pancreas isn’t firing as it ought to be. Because it stopped producing insulin. So why is that happened? Normally toxins and trauma and ultimately stroke the voltage is dropped the power to the pancreas, the pancreas isn’t firing, right what anymore? So it’s just useful to know let’s say the gut is someone’s got. You mentioned something earlier, let’s say IBS or Crohn’s. Crohn’s or ulcerative colitis or something like an inflammatory bowel disease, IBD. brain disease anyway, something’s going on in the gut, there’s not enough power going into the gut. If your light starts flashing in your home, I used to be an electrician, by the way. So when I, when I learned this is like the penny dropped, and like a huge aha moment, a huge epiphany, as if, at that point seven years of my life in in terms of research and health and wellness, just got summarised in 45 minutes with one presentation on YouTube. And then I researched and read the book and then more. So let’s say there’s a light flashing in your home, there’s not enough power go into that light. So it starts, it drops and the power drops, you can see something’s going on with that circuit, the electrician would go and figure out why. What’s going on in that circuit, it could be a dodgy switch, could be a dodgy cable could be you could have drilled through a cable or something. Some things cause not enough power to go to that light. Yes, same thing happens in the body. So I see my job is kind of helping the person, whoever I’m partnering in health with as helping them reverse engineer why there’s not enough power going to the organ and question. So for example, since I picked type one diabetes, when the pancreas isn’t firing, sometimes, it might be that there are affected teeth. There could be an affected root canal, or there could be mercury in the mouth. Or there could be cavities, there’s something going in the mouth. Yeah, because every electrical circuit in the body passes through your teeth. I’ll come back to that little story I just talked about earlier. credible. Yes.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  36:42

The pancreas and the teeth.

Neil Cannon  36:45

Every organ is on a different circuit. Some are on the same circuit, but they go through the teeth which act like circuit breakers. Do you know Do you know what circuit breakers are? Yeah, yes. I imagine. This was explained to me, by the way, when I I couldn’t shake up a cold in 2017. And it wasn’t until I went to go and see a chiropractor Kinesiologist and he body tested me and he said within 10 minutes, he found out that the reason why I couldn’t shake up a call for more than a month it was a mild cold but it was annoying and I was doing everything I thought was right. I was living in LA, anti inflammatory nutrition, veggie juicing every day. I was active or doing yoga I was working out sunlight is doing in the ocean. Everything was like physically. I thought I was doing a lot, right. I couldn’t shake off this cold for a month. So I knew something was up with my immune system. And he found out pretty quickly that these three he pointed to three specific teeth on the side of my face, where I used to hold my phone. Oh, and he said these three teeth have become depolarized. And I looked at him like he was a crazy person. I thought What do you mean? He said they have become the Polaroid the polarity has flipped, and the voltage has dropped your immune system. So what we’re going to do is use lasers. So in two sessions, he shined lasers on my teeth scalar lasers, and then my call went away.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  38:12

That is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. But in a good

Neil Cannon  38:17

right. So imagine this that was a very mild cold. Do you know how many people are experiencing chronic illness and they have no idea about the effects of electromagnetic radiation on their bodies?

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  38:31

I do know because I have heard of this.

Neil Cannon  38:35

We are both using cables. Right now. We are not using Bluetooth in our ears and I I have never ever bought those earbuds

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  38:45

oh I have

Neil Cannon  38:47

this one compromise. I’ll never make this. I’ve seen some people working in health, you know work we were in these airports. I will never put that because it’s the transmitter with a battery. Next your brain EMFs are unequivocally causing us harm. The only thing is, some people are more sensitive to others. And we do adjust and the body definitely does adjust. But some people are so sensitive to EMF, they can’t even walk into a Wi Fi shop into a coffee shop. Or they’ll they’ll start to get a headache when 5g launched. For example. In the UK, I got very loud about it. I couldn’t believe that they launched 5g Without any biological safety testing whatsoever. And but hundreds of millions behind it. And I got very loud on Facebook and I was trying to get people to hold on I was attending all these meetings in London and in the UK. There’s a huge movement to stop it. And it just went ahead anyway. Around that time when 5g launched, people were getting nosebleeds they were suffering from low level depression. They were suffering from headaches and people were having to leave their homes and move to somewhere away from the cellphone towers. is really which? Yeah, which one? tested. So that is a deep rabbit hole. We don’t go into it. But we could we could we could go in it slightly if you like. There’s a book called The Invisible rainbow written by Arthur Furstenberg. And he’s documented and brilliantly referenced everything about what has preceded every pandemic in history. And it’s an increase in electromagnetic radiation, starting with radio waves.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  40:32

Oh, my gosh, is that the 5g that you’re talking about?

Neil Cannon  40:36

Right now? You know, 2019? What do we have increasing 5g and the 5g testing grounds where Wuhan, Milan, London, New York, or the big major cosmopolitan cities? Now, I want to be totally clear. I see this as a compromised immune system. I’m not saying it is the virus. I’m just saying there’s two things at play. Maybe. So I, what I have seen as people’s immune systems have become compromised because of electromagnetic fields. And a lot of people aren’t understanding what’s compromised their immune system. So obviously, it’s not 100% of people. And it’s every human is different. And different people have different sensitivities. I’ve just, I suspect, and there’s a tonne of research on this as well. It’s not just me, there’s lots of people in holistic health, saying the same thing. EMFs are something to really pay attention to and protect the home. I’ve got a friend right now who’s reversing cancer holistically. He’s he was diagnosed with Stage Two lymphoma. Obviously, he was advised to do the conventional route, chemo radio, etc. He’s not doing that. And he’s chosen holistic route, which is basically detoxification across every pathway, and replenish the body. And as he’s detoxifying, he’s noticing he’s doing heavy metal detox, for example, if the colour in his eyes has come back, he said it went grey. And he works with cars, and he wants to go to different chemicals in the showroom. So it’s a withdrawal from that. And he’s what I’m seeing with him is phenomenal. And I’m witnessing it. He’s breathing with us. Every morning, I run breathwork sessions Friday. He’s a regular breather, which is phenomenal for reducing inflammation oxygenating the cell detoxifying the body and lots of other magic. Anyway, the reason I bring this in is because he as his body is becoming more sensitised and all the toxins are leaving his body, he is becoming more sensitive to EMFs. And he has had to buy a beanie. And he’s got various hats now, because if he doesn’t wear the Faraday protective beanies, he gets headaches, he puts the he puts the beanie on his headache goes away. And he’s got various clothing, articles of clothing, which he was to protect himself from the EMFs. So it’s a big rabbit hole, but it is

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  42:58

a big rabbit hole. And my witch doctor actually did a podcast episode where he talked about some of this stuff. And he was saying, like, with his Wi Fi, he makes sure that the router is as far away from the bedroom as possible, that he doesn’t sleep with the phone by his bed at night time. All those kinds of things. And I have heard this that’s it’s not foreign to me, it may be foreign to some of the people that are listening. But I didn’t realise the impact this was having. So do you believe that this is one of the biggest environmental toxins that we’re dealing with in the 21st century?

Neil Cannon  43:42

Absolutely. Yeah. Without a doubt. Yeah. Prior to 5g, though we’re already between 6000. There’s at least 6000 peer reviewed studies talking about our EMFs cause DNA and cell damage. It was already out there. There was all the evidence is already there. It’s unequivocal. But the governing bodies because they’re so intertwined with money and corruption and greed and power. They’re not doing they’re not leading with health. They’re leading with money first. And health is on the backburner, just like we’ve seen for the last three years, unequivocally. So we we need to just become savvy with the decisions that are being made by certain organisations and protect ourselves. Because yes, the organisations that are supposed to be protecting us aren’t in 2011, The Who, who World Health Organisation classified EMFs as a carcinogen. Actually, I believe the wording is possible carcinogen, so meaning it causes cancer. So why have they gone ahead and allowed it to progress and progress and progress with 5g super high frequency towers next to your bedroom, you know, with a smartphone owns outside your child’s bedroom, when they can see with live blood analysis, what happens if you’re exposed to smartphones or smart metres rather, you can literally do live blood analysis. And you can see with your own eyes, what happens. So imagine having your ear with an airport, next to a radio transmitter in the air where there’s no skull to protect the, the power of the, the EMFs. So with EMF, it’s about the strength of signal and proximity from that signal. So you’re talking about aeroplane mode at night, this is always in aeroplane mode at night and away from my head. And normally, depending on where I’m staying, the Wi Fi router also goes off. And I also have protective devices in the home to protect my home from EMFs. And have them on my various devices as well. So we’re living in a fascinating world

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  45:57

we are and all of this brings me back to and what you brought up earlier about medicine is a big money making vehicle for a lot of multinational organisations for government bodies. I have heard there’s cures for cancer that are not accessible. Because, you know, it’s such a big money making industry cancer is such a big money making industry. It would be to the detriment of some of these organisations if it was to be wiped, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Neil Cannon  46:40

So there’s dates back, you know, over 100 years, ever since Carnegie and Rockefeller took over modern medicine and eradicated natural medicine in 1910. With the Flexner Report, partnering with the AMA, JP Morgan, and they created an industry, they created a dragon surgery industry, which has become a nearing a $4 trillion medical industrial complex that controls mainstream media colludes with all the three letter organisations, governments globally, well, at least in the Western world, and big tech. And it’s an animal. And it’s only because I’ve done the research that this is clear to me, if one hasn’t had their crisis moment that’s caused them to go and take a deep dive, their wake up call, there’s no reason to really question the systems. You know, and this is what I’ve seen with many of my closest friends and family that they think I’m not talking about this stuff. Yes,

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  47:35

yes. And a lot of our listeners probably think this is a bit woowoo. And it’s left of centre, and it’s unbelievable, and that’s fine. That’s fine. This is just presenting another viewpoint. And people can take what they want from it. And if you learn one small thing, hey, one small step for mankind, isn’t it? And let’s get back to you. Now. Yes. And okay, so yes,

Neil Cannon  48:07

absolutely.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  48:10

Okay, so we’ve worked out that it’s not in the best interests of world health organisations that make money from the health industry for us to be healthy. But you knowing what you know, and the work that you’ve done, what kinds of illnesses have you worked with, with your clients that you have reverse engineered their health and well being you, you they’ve come to, with all these health issues? Let’s give them names like diabetes,

Neil Cannon  48:47

diabetes is one type two diabetes, pre diabetes, eczema, acne, psoriasis, rosacea, arthritis, gout, chronic pain, fibromyalgia. What else? There’s a few others. Yeah, testosterone and men. I’ve never worked professionally with anyone with cancer is a very charged symptom. I don’t like calling a disease. It’s a chronic symptom, but it’s just so charged that whoever I’m more than happy to talk to people and my friends about it. But this to this date, I haven’t actually officially professionally worked with anyone that can Yes, yes, I just what I am about is is radical empowerment really helping my clients instil radical responsibility around their health? Because it’s, I think it’s the ultimate secret sauce to healing because if we if we’re in a victim state, and we think something’s happened to us, we think we’ve got this genetic destiny, and there’s nothing we can do about it. That puts us into a victim state which doesn’t help when it comes to healing. And in my latest book, which is coming out in the next six to eight weeks as you talk about how radical responsibility is the secret sauce in healing is my personal view? Because it enables us to go on this journey of self discovery and figure out, okay, where are my life? Have I been exposed to toxins? Or where am I life? Am I out of alignment? Or, you know, is the chronic stress in my life? Am I in a relationship which isn’t serving me? Am I in a job that’s not serving me what’s going on in my life, which is creating dis ease? Or all of the above? And you wonder why it’s so sick? Right? Exactly, exactly. Yeah. So it’s so much more empowering, knowing that the body, in my opinion, it’s so much more empowering, knowing that the body creates symptoms, to give us some kind of indication that we’re out of balance. We know from the science of epigenetics, that there’s been around for decades, environment in the body that signals the genes and the health of our cells. It’s not the genes that trigger the illness. And this is true for at least 95%, I think it’s almost 98% in around two to 5% of the population, they are born with so called defective genes or genes, which are fully penetrant, which means the individual may not have the power as to whether or not that gene is expressed or not. However, that’s not to say they can’t reverse it or heal it. I believe the body can heal anything with the right approach. And the science of epigenetics is all about the environment. So providing we create an environment in the body conducive to healing. I believe the body can heal anything within reason, of course, Okay, row, new lamp, maybe you can.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  51:49

My husband has a genetic disorder. He has polycystic kidney disease, which was diagnosed, not so not so many years ago. And that’s come from his mum and his brother has it also. And it’s only because of a drug that he’s on. And it it was a trial drug that seems to have worked for him, that it’s managed to keep his organ function at a healthy rate. Is that even something that he could heal himself? Do you believe?

Neil Cannon  52:26

I absolutely believe that? Yes, without a shadow of doubt.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  52:30

So what kinds of things then without knowing him? What would be something that you would look at? First step? If you’re, we’re talking kidneys? Is there some a part of the body where you go? Okay, this is linked to the kidneys?

Neil Cannon  52:45

Well, as we’ve talked about teeth earlier, yeah, we could go there immediately, you could look at a tooth chart. And you can look at which tooth are attached to the kidneys, and then have a look in his mouth and say, Do you have any root canals, infected root canals, Mercury cavities, anything that might be dropping the voltage in that circuit, like what happened with me and my phone poisoning. So that was one of the first things I normally do, in fact, with my clients, other than clean up the diet and go anti inflammatory. But what’s causing the kidneys to malfunction, something’s causing the kidneys to malfunction, even though it’s claimed as genetic? Yeah, the science of epigenetics tells us that even if our parents come with or had cancer, or heart disease, or diabetes, if we do what they did, and we model their way of life, and we eat the same diet, we have the same exercise approach or same habits and approach to stress or approach to life, we end up recreating the site, the same environment as they created, then yes, we have a stronger likelihood of developing what they they manifested in their bodies. However, the science of epigenetics is also very self empowering, because we can say, Okay, how do we create the environment in the body conducive to healing and to signal new genes and new ways, and a body conducive to vitality and growth and repair? So it’s all around the environment? So I see almost every symptom as there’s a theme, there’s a formula that can be applied. I’d want to know why is there not enough voltage going to the kidneys? What’s going on there? What’s affecting the kidneys? I mean, you could look at various things he’s consuming in the diet. First and foremost, you know, do a kidney flush and see what’s going on and detoxify the body everywhere? Oh

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  54:47

no, no, it’s just, he’s not eating very healthy.

Neil Cannon  54:53

That’s normally the first place to visit

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  54:55

and a little bit too much alcohol might I add

Neil Cannon  55:00

Brian, yeah, so yes, there’s I would say there’s always a way of figuring out what why our organs not working as they ought to be. Just one can actually learn a formula and go through the formula. And that’s kind of what I’ve done medicine, for example, or naturopathic medicine, good functional medicine doctors will be all about getting to the cause of whatever is out of balance. This is a form of medicine, I love as well as naturopathic medicine. I pay attention to forms of medicine, which are about getting to the cause. And, and not simply masking.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  55:42

Well, Neil, we’re gonna start wrapping this up. This has been so interesting. And I hope that listeners have enjoyed what you’ve had to share, and they’ve learned something from it. And they listen to it with an open mind and an open heart. We’re all allowed our opinions. There are many ways to skin a cat is what we used to say. Everyone has to find their way of dealing with whatever they’re wanting to deal with. I’m very open to what you’ve spoken about. I think it’s amazing. Keep up your brilliant work. In wrapping up, what advice would you like to give to the listeners? How can we all be doing better? Something that’s simple, and maybe not? So woowoo? The people who think this is where we’re,

Neil Cannon  56:35

yeah, one, one quote I’d like to leave your listeners with is your body’s ability to heal is greater than you have ever been allowed to believe. I believe the body can heal almost anything within reason. So, the first and foremost, less woowoo thing to do is to switch to an anti and if anyone has any chronic symptoms just look up what an anti inflammatory diet is. I wrote about it in my last book, The Vitality secret. A lot of people have read that book and got results just by reading that book. Well, not just by reading the book, not that they’ve read the book and then take an action and change their diet and then got results. Yeah, so there’s very tangible things that anyone could be doing. First and foremost, get rid of toxins, stop eating toxins. If we eat toxins, expect symptoms.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  57:31

What are toxins? What’s that an example of toxic food, fake

Neil Cannon  57:36

food, fried food, anything with GMO food is toxic, particularly corn, soy, wheat in America cotton. See, there’s there’s a few culprits, which is we should really swerve and the hybridised wheat grain in America particularly, but not just America, other countries as well. It’s just particularly bad in America to the roundup ready and the other magic show, it’s got it’s gone through. So really clean up the diet. If you love bread, find an alternative, for example, and find something you like. And it’s not going to be a sacrifice. Think of what you can replace, I like to replace things rather than quit things. Because the moment we quit something, it’s introducing pain into our lives, and it’s just as likely not going to last. So if we can just get interested in intrigued by anti inflammatory nutrition, and there’s so many resources out there now. So many free websites, you can go to YouTube channels might not get to mine or the cooking show as well. So there’s so many resources now the virtually free I would say switch to an anti inflammatory way of life. Think of that gut as the organ we need to focus on for any kind of chronic symptom. It’s like the engine for as well create energy. That’s what we’re doing in the gut. We’re literally creating energy from digestion of food. So focus on gut health in though that the body is always trying to heal itself, we just need to step out the way we need to take the toxins out but the fuel in that’s kind of what I’m doing on a really simplistic level, take the toxins out, put the fuel in toxins out, fuel them. Yeah, and there’s other you know, we just want to get back to nature. Eat in alignment with the nature codes, you know, packaged foods that are full of processed foods, processed foods, artificial flavourings and preservatives and it’s just not nice. It’s not Yes.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  59:41

It was funny. You were mentioning about bread for example. I’ve been thinking about baking my own bread. You can buy a bread machine baking machine. Is that better than buying the bread? Or is that still bread?

Neil Cannon  59:55

Still bread? It’s still bread, but it depends where your grain is going to come? From wherever we’re gonna come from, some people can go to Italy or France and they can have bread. And they will they won’t feel bloated or they won’t get a reaction. Yeah. And they’ll go to America and they get bloated and they get breakout and skin rashes and stuff. So yeah, I mean, it’s better than buying into the supermarket, probably. And sprouted, for example, it’s going to be better, or what’s the word I’m going to look for? There’s another type of bread and there’s less harmful anyone felt? Yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s less harmful. But But it’s, yes, it’s better.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  1:00:36

It’s better to steal bread. Why is everything that that tastes good? Bad for you? And, and why does everything that hurts good for you like exercise, although I love exercise, but it’s like, everything that’s difficult is always good for you. And we have to find a way of making it taste good, feel good. And then just reap the rewards of the benefits of all of that.

Neil Cannon  1:01:09

I think you just really hit the nail on the head there. With find a way that works for you. You know, with exercise, yes. Some for some people. It’s like a chore. So pick a form of movement that you love, dance, like golf, ball or table tennis? Well, nature

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  1:01:30

is I tend to run Yeah, I look at people running. I hope no one takes offence to this. But I I look at people running and I go, You know what? Running was invented if you were being chased by somebody holding a gun or a knife, I see running as one of the most pointless areas to walk briskly.

Neil Cannon  1:02:00

I mean, walking is very, very good view. And it’s remarkably effective at so many things. I I’ll never forget meeting someone I sadly, he’s passed now. But a few years ago, five years ago, he burned he was 400 pounds. He was massive. And he got down to a 34 inch waist over the course of a year or something just by walking everywhere. Yeah. And only change his diet a bit, of course, but just by walking was the main thing. So it doesn’t have to be a crazy exercise. We just have to move. We need to move to get the lymphatic.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  1:02:38

Exactly, exactly. I mean, this the dentary lifestyle that we’re all living now is going to end up killing us. We’re not being enough.

Neil Cannon  1:02:48

Yeah, sitting is the new smoking. It is it is.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  1:02:51

I believe that too. Now, Neil, thank you for your time and all your brilliant pearls of information. We’re going to share links to your podcast, your website, and to your book, The Vitality secret for our listeners in the show notes. So if people want to learn more about you, they can find you through the show notes. I really appreciate your time and hope to catch up sometime again in the future. Yes. So thank you again for your time, and all the very best with your new book that’s going to be coming out in about eight weeks time. And it’s called the vitality code, the vitality code. So we’ve shared the secret now we’re giving you the code. Exactly. After that, to shoot you. Thank you again and see you in the future. Good luck with everything.

Neil Cannon  1:03:50

Thank you so much, Marissa, it’s been a fun conversation. I hope it’s been valuable for your listeners. Oh,

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  1:03:54

well, it has been for me it doesn’t matter about the listeners. No, no, no. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

Dr Marisa Lee Naismith  1:04:05

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